Odd Fire TBI

[lionelhutz]

I'm not sure if you want comments, or just posting because or what, but I see a few things that won't work.

You should use 1 ESC module with the output going to both ECMs. Alternatively, you will need 2 knock sensors if you want to use the 2 ESC modules.

You can't connect both ECMs to the IAC motor. You'll have to let one of them control it.

Your IGN relay is wrong, the pink should be on the right terminal.

You'll need a coolant temp sensor for each ECM.

I believe the TPS and MAP can be shared but I'm not sure you want to connect the sensor 5V terminals together. I think you'll want to use the 5V from one ECM for the TPS and MAP with the common and outputs going to both ECMs.

I highly doubt you can run closed loop which makes the O2 sensors rather pointless. The control loops get out of sync and the one ECM will be adding fuel via one injector while the other is trying to remove it via the other injector causing a big fuel imbalance.

[Willys43]

All constructive comments are appreciated. I would much rather change the schematic then try and diagnose problems. I originally tied all inputs and most outputs together thinking that if one computer has a problem that the other will continue to operate my limp home mode.

[Willys43]

I'm not sure if you want comments, or just posting because or what, but I see a few things that won't work.

You should use 1 ESC module with the output going to both ECMs. Alternatively, you will need 2 knock sensors if you want to use the 2 ESC modules.

You can't connect both ECMs to the IAC motor. You'll have to let one of them control it.

Your IGN relay is wrong, the pink should be on the right terminal.

You'll need a coolant temp sensor for each ECM.

I believe the TPS and MAP can be shared but I'm not sure you want to connect the sensor 5V terminals together. I think you'll want to use the 5V from one ECM for the TPS and MAP with the common and outputs going to both ECMs.

I highly doubt you can run closed loop which makes the O2 sensors rather pointless. The control loops get out of sync and the one ECM will be adding fuel via one injector while the other is trying to remove it via the other injector causing a big fuel imbalance.

I absolutely want feedback, just be prepared to explain yourself if I don't understand!
OK I'll buy 1 ESC, 1 Knock, and you're correct about the ignition relay pink.
I don't understand the need for 2 temp sensors, or what problem the second 5v ref feed. I have some research to do before commenting on the fueling
Craig

[lionelhutz]

To keep it simple, the CTS is a variable resistance and each ECM passes some current through it to measure the resistance. Add 2 ECMs onto one sensor and the reading will be wrong.

I'm not sure on the 5V but the 5V supply in each ECM may try to fight each other.

[Willys43]

That makes sense, I'll add a second
Craig

[Willys43]

Does anybody know how the ESC module works and what the knock sensor acually does electrically?

[Willys43]

Lhutz, after reviewing your comment on the dual 02 sensors I believe that for odd fire fuel delivery that both sensors are needed and I don't see any concern for any fuel imbalance, and I believe that each ECM should go into closed loop when all conditions are met. I also believe that your concerns are valid if I were planning on even fire fuel delivery, then only one would be needed, since only one ECM would be handling the fuel delivery using two injectors.As far as the MAP, TPS and ETC are concerned, they are all variable resistors, if one of them can be read properly by both ECMs I would assume that all 3 three could. The key word is assume. I'll bench test to find out.Craig

[lionelhutz]

The dual O2 with both ECMs in closed loop would work if the O2, ECM and injector are all used on one bank. I doubt it will work if the manifold is open so both injectors feed both banks or the runners in the manifold crossover so each injector feeds cylinders on both banks. Possibly, it would work using one O2 so both ECMs see the same rich or lean signal but not likely with dual O2 sensors in different locations where each O2 reads the fuel from the other ECM's injector.

Yes, all the sensors are variable resistors but the MAP and TPS are 3-wire which means they produce a varying output voltage. The CTS sensor is 2-wire meaning the ECM has to measure it's resistance. They're not the same thing.

The knock sensor is basically a piezoelectric microphone and the ESC takes it's AC signal and produces a DC signal to send to the ECM when there is knock. Hence using one knock module to feed one ESC module to feed both ECMs.