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    Quote Originally Posted by FSJ Guy View Post
    Looks SWEET!!!

    Where does one find these elusive bin, ADX and XDF files? Are the VSS and the MAF the only pins changed/added?
    I got the files from thirdgen.org
    http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tb...-code-faq.html

    I did contact the author and inquire about getting the latest code/files.
    He said he'd put something together and get them to me.
    However the above files from thirdgen do seem to work, just don't know if they're the latest/greatest.

    The VSS is something I haven't figured out yet. The pins are F2&F3 for it in the MAF bin.
    MAF is F12
    IAT is B9
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    I think we had the origanal and update files in the $0D info thread?
    http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...Information-OD

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    Random question. The $0D code has parameters and a flag to enable a MAT, as some of the CPI V6's use them. So whoever wrote the MAF code, did they change it to use the MAF mounted IAT instead of a MAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepsAndGuns View Post
    Random question. The $0D code has parameters and a flag to enable a MAT, as some of the CPI V6's use them. So whoever wrote the MAF code, did they change it to use the MAF mounted IAT instead of a MAT?
    No, the TBI MAF code was written to use the IAT inside the MAF.
    It's my understanding that if you're running a single plane unheated manifold you should also use a MAT.
    If you're running a stock heated manifold like I am you should not need a MAT.

    You're running a single plane unheated manifold so probably benefit from a MAT.
    Also there is MPFI MAF specific code so for you probably best to start reading the MPFI MAF threads on thirdgen?
    There are some people that had issues specific to MPFI+MAF.
    It's pretty different in terms of fueling than this TBI version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babywag View Post
    No, the TBI MAF code was written to use the IAT inside the MAF.
    It's my understanding that if you're running a single plane unheated manifold you should also use a MAT.
    If you're running a stock heated manifold like I am you should not need a MAT.

    You're running a single plane unheated manifold so probably benefit from a MAT.
    Also there is MPFI MAF specific code so for you probably best to start reading the MPFI MAF threads on thirdgen?
    There are some people that had issues specific to MPFI+MAF.
    It's pretty different in terms of fueling than this TBI version.
    Lack of cranking fuel for the MPFI was the thing I remember most. When I first started messing with it, the MPFI code would start with a puff of propane into the throttle body.

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    I'm having that exact issue right now. Was there ever a cure?

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    Mark, you running a 0D mpfi system too?
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    Just helping a guy tune one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleMark View Post
    Just helping a guy tune one.
    Is there a way in TunerPro to build a history table to log MAF flow vs. WBO2?
    I've built tables before, but not sure how to set one up for this.
    Seems TunerPro only allows for one output(Z) and I need both outputs??

    Also I got the VSS output working using my existing 2k JTR VSS.
    Same way as before with setting "Output Speed not from DRAC" @5D02
    First I tried to hexedit the bin directly changing it to 31 vs 21, saving it, and burning a new chip.
    TunerPro showed the difference(s), but it still didn't work.
    So I copied/pasted the xdf parameter from standard $OD .xdf to my MAF .xdf and it worked.

    Only other thing that I've seen not reporting correctly is NBO2 mV, but that is just a nuisance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babywag View Post
    Only other thing that I've seen not reporting correctly is NBO2 mV, but that is just a nuisance.
    I wonder if that data was changed to something else?

    Sometimes you build another value with X and Y for the output and use it for history table.

    If you have WB and use Lambda instead of AFR then the calculation for adjustment is the actual reading. 1.0 = Stoich/no ajustment if multiplied. .90 is rich so multiply. 1.10 is lean so multiply. So MAF = 3.2 and Lambda = .90 MAF * Lambda = new MAF

    Not sure there is a X and Y in data to make MAF history table? Post the XDF, ADX and a bin I'd like to look, never worked on $0D MAF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleMark View Post
    I wonder if that data was changed to something else?

    Sometimes you build another value with X and Y for the output and use it for history table.

    If you have WB and use Lambda instead of AFR then the calculation for adjustment is the actual reading. 1.0 = Stoich/no ajustment if multiplied. .90 is rich so multiply. 1.10 is lean so multiply. So MAF = 3.2 and Lambda = .90 MAF * Lambda = new MAF

    Not sure there is a X and Y in data to make MAF history table? Post the XDF, ADX and a bin I'd like to look, never worked on $0D MAF.
    Linked above in thread already, but here's what I started with...
    Attached Files Attached Files
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    Today I added a MAF to my other Jeep
    Now I have 2 running the $OD TBI MAF code...

    Cheapo cold air intake w/ junkyard parts $15
    eBay MAF sensor $27.99
    misc. wiring/solder/shrink tube ~$5
    So for $50 it's up and running.
    Still impressed w/ how well they run.

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    This is the '90 Grand Wagoneer with it's new CAI & MAF
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    Hey, thats one of those 90's model cadillac air intake bonnets. I got one of those right after I installed my TBI years ago. We must have significantly different intakes or something, as there was no way shape or form I could get it to fit mine without hitting the hood. I wanted to use it so bad cause it was cheap and looked like it would work awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleMark View Post
    Just helping a guy tune one.

    Hey mark, you ever get the mpfi MAF working right?
    79 Jeep Cherokee, AMC 401, T-18 manual trans, hydroboost, 16197427 MPFI system---the toy

    93 Jeep YJ Wrangler, 4.0L, 5 speed, 8.8 rear, homebrew hub conversion and big brakes, hydroboost, 2.5in OME lift, 31x10.50's---the daily driver

    99 Jeep WJ Grand Cherokee limited, 4.0L, auto, 2wd, leather and power everything, 99% stock---the long distance highway ride.

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    I too a nubee here have a 350 TBI in an Astro van. I have a MAF with a cold air intake but do not have the PCM setup yet and would like to try this. I'll keep an eye on this thread.
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