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    If the car passed the E-Test the two previous years, followed by failing this year, with the same tune - the E-Test failure is not tune related.

    Given that the car is predominantly stored (not used) the mileage since the last service / tune up is not that relevant. Store vehicles are often more susceptible to moisture / corrosion issues.

    Start by checking for vacuum leaks and confirm consistent fuel pressure. Inspect the distributor cap and rotor, and change the oil and filter. It is a good idea to also replace the oxygen sensor.

    A compression and leak down test will help rule out stuck piston rings, and / or a valve that is not fully seating / sealing.

    If after all of these tests / checks, the vehicle still fails emissions, there is a very good chance that the catalytic converter(s) is the cause. Aftermarket cats won't last nearly as long as the OEM cats will.
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    Good point, did it ever pass with my tune?

    If not do you have a chip that passed?

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    compression is a little low I already know that much. oil pressure is a little low as well. 130000 miles. I think I am going to log tomorrow some driving and see what I get. hell ill take it out in the misty rain if I have to. but I will get a log tomorrow for sure and then I will post it. cap and rotor are accel and are in prestine condition. no carbon deposits or corrosion. I will start tomorrow with more stuff to check. all vacuum lines are perfect. checked them all today when I was checking the egr. something has to give. I have also checked everything cold. tomorrow ill wring her out with a log and we can see what is all going on. even if I break her ill wring her out . EAGLEMARK that tune has been awesome since we nailed her. she runs ****** awesome.

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    hey EAGLEMARK last year your tune did pass on the third try. yes sir it did. but like I said she has been sitting in the garage for a month. unless there is something that can be tuned out with HC or NOX I believe I have something stickin. now I do have a question we haven't hit on.

    with the solenoid hit with power and ground and engine at idle----should the egr open up and not quiver as it is doing?

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    You should definitely have a good idle go bad if EGR opens up.

    Lets see a log if anything pops up? Don't forget the idle at end of log.

    I know you say 2,000 miles on? But a year and even the best oil can break down in a year. Always change oil before emissions tests, along with... well you fresh on tune up... maybe a new set of plugs! And a AC delco O2 sensor. How old is gas? Keep it full all the time? Highway drive and open it up. Bring it in hot. What does this test involve? Idle? Rollers etc... There was a trick for some of these old ECM, cross A and B on ALDL port and let it idle that way, then pull the jumper before they test or see it.

    Was the batt disconnected for the time it sat?

    In the end I think Buzz hit it and your CAT is shot, just to old?

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    battery stayed connected with a trickle charger. oil was changed three times last year but not this year. been filled up a few times on gas. hoping that that cat isn't bad. it also is only two years old.what does the jump A and B do for these. what does that trick accomplish.

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    Raises Idle, increases Spark which helps keep motor cleaned out (wet intake remember?) and warm but more importantly keeps the CAT hot so it works.

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    there has been real bad weather here today. haven't gotten a chance to get out.

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    are the egr perimeters settable?? are there even paremters for that? is there any sure fire way to test an egr system besides putting in a vacuum tee and run a gauge in the car while driving. I know that the previous test where it was at idle I powered up the egr solenoid to get vacuum to the egr. all it did was move slightly back and forth. but wont pull all the way back.going to put the plastic lines on instead of all small rubber ones and see if that helps. it is an AC DELCO 17088125 N egr valve. moves freely and will hold vacuum. the cat I have is a 3" race cat. it is clear. thinking about buying the magnaflow 17" stock type cat to put on her with the 2 1/2 inlt and outlet. plan on the tune up as well. wires are all good. cap, rotor, and plugs will be changed. have rapid fire #2 plugs in it. going back to R45TS plugs. going to try and log it as is. but with plugs and stuff all removed I might put in the new and log it.

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