Food for thought

[Caleditor]

People do share, VDF's, I dont know how much of an issue it really is though. Once you have a VDF illegaly, you can never go to John to get it updated, your scamming self is dependant on your scamming source of the scammed VDF's.
Heck they are only $80 a piece (Lyndons 6.5 diesel VDF's for TC2 are $100 and yoi cant read the PCM), but people are cheap. Have I shared, no, have I asked for VDF's, yes-once and at the time I really didnt realize what I was doing-but was promptly denied the files.

All the TC/Westers GMT stuff is similar, but not the same. Westers GMT and his Diesel are password protected, there are little intricacies about each program.

I cant believe that Jet DST is using the Diesel stuff without paying. But I found it at the Jet site for download Heck Jet is way back at 2.01. TC is at 3.18.
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• 64 MB RAM
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Hog

I am not saying to Hack TC and Wester's, but if you were take a look into Wester's program he sold to JET you will find C.A.T.S. in the file. That ends all of the BS and that is why someone never got paid. When JET found C.A.T.S. I am sure they we own the rights al ready

[Hog]

I am not saying to Hack TC and Wester's, but if you were take a look into Wester's program he sold to JET you will find C.A.T.S. in the file. That ends all of the BS and that is why someone never got paid. When JET found C.A.T.S. I am sure they we own the rights al ready

Wow, Lyndon must be fuming. I always thought he would never sell his diesel stuff, esp. the 6.5 TD stuff to anyone. I remember him saying. "Jet will never get my 6.5 TD stuff" Weird.


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Hog

[Caleditor]

Not sure if I understand this yet. Lyndon sold his diesel stuff to Jet.

1)Did he sell both the Duramax AND the 6.5 TD stuff? Lyndon said he would never let go of 6.5TD. I'm surprised.
2) WHat BS are you talking about.

You said "When JET found C.A.T.S. I am sure they we own the rights already"
3) So Lyndon sold his diesel stuff to Jet, his stuff had some CATS stuff in it. Did Lyndon get paid for his doesel stuff from Jet.
4)Or are you saying that John didnt get paid because Lyndons diesel stuff included Johns CATS stuff and Jet said "ok we allready own CATS so we dont have to pay for this CATS/Lyndon/diesel stuff.
5) Who ownes who money.
6) Is there an issue between Lyndon and John?

Confusing information on the internet, again.Wow, Lyndon must be fuming.

I always thought he would never sell his diesel stuff, esp. the 6.5 TD stuff to anyone. I remember him saying. "Jet will never get my 6.5 TD stuff" Weird.


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Hog

The program JetChips sold at one time was called Jet DDST. I am not sure if that is the same program they have listed currently under Dynamic Spectrum Tuning (DST) or not. Currently Jet has 3 versions of DST. It looks like #14005 is for Gas Class II, #14007 is for Gas CAN ECM's and #14006 is the Diesel program. This fits 2001 to 2005 LB7 & LLY. In the conversations I had with Lyndon he told me that the DDST program was his. I may have misunderstood him and it is possible that he just built the VDF's. Lyndon posted on Mondax that he never got a dime from JET.

I am saying that Jet never paid Lyndon, because Lyndon's software is built by C.A.T.S. and Jet had purchased the OBDII tuner.

[Caleditor]

Wow, Lyndon must be fuming. I always thought he would never sell his diesel stuff, esp. the 6.5 TD stuff to anyone. I remember him saying. "Jet will never get my 6.5 TD stuff" Weird.


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Hog

Jet could never ever sell the 6.5L legally in the US. I am under the impression that it comes down to the ability to read out the PCM. Most of the non supported GM PCM's/ECM's have the memory broken apart and stored on different chips. You would need to be able to read the calibration out correctly from all of the chips. I am under the impression the 6.5L can not be readout with a cable. The PCM/ECM need to be disassembled.

[Hog]

OK thanks AJ. I always thought Lyndon built the 6.5 tuner so that it couldnt read ECM's on purpose, so as to prevent people form copying diesel shops calibrations. But that doesnt seem to be the way things are. Thanks
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Hog

[Caleditor]

OK thanks AJ. I always thought Lyndon built the 6.5 tuner so that it couldnt read ECM's on purpose, so as to prevent people form copying diesel shops calibrations. But that doesnt seem to be the way things are. Thanks
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Hog

NO


Some PCM's can not be read. Most of the Northstar PCM's, Saturn PCM's, 6.5L, and a few others. The 96 to 99 Northstar PCM's I feel could be read out, but sense part of the flash is on the CPU chip and 2 PLCC32 chips, It also has 2 CPU's and it would take a lot to get it out correctly. The 2000 to 2005 Northstar PCM are not a Delco/Delphi and that do not use Motorola CPU's. From my understanding the AVT cable will not read them for that reason. The old 1998 LS1 uses a PSOP44 like the 1999+ do, but the flash is partially flashed on the CPU. You know how those PCM's like to brick, so you could double that with the old Northstar's. I have software that will tune the old Northstar PCM's, but getting the flash to tune is tricky. You can not acquire them from legally from GM's TIS. I am not sure if the newer LML Duramax ECM's can be read without opening them up and modifying the board or not.

My understanding of the 6.5L is that TC can not read the ECM because it is not readable. I am sure if you pull it apart you can read the memory out. You could also acquire it illegally from TIS as I would assume has been done

[1project2many]

The 6.5 pcm is not flash capable. Calibration changes require burning a new chip.

[Caleditor]

The 6.5 pcm is not flash capable. Calibration changes require burning a new chip.

I kind of thought that they uses a MemCal or Prom of some type

[Hog]

The 6.5 pcm is not flash capable. Calibration changes require burning a new chip.

ARe you sure. Why would there be TC2 VDF's if they are not flashable. Maybe some early 6.5's arent, but if you buy a Wester TC2 VDF I'm sure you can flash the PCM. You do have to supply Lyndon with the exact PCM you have, along with $100 for the VDF.,

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Hog